[What] existed in the past that you're not having happen any more - it's called the
apprenticeship program. The apprenticeship program... that's how
everybody comin' up played in somebody's band at some point or another... it
helped them to develop what and who they are today.

You know but... the unfortunate thing - a
lot of those masters, [those] who
became masters doing due diligence in the field, when they died off that was the
end of a whole generation. That's why the apprenticeship program brought people into the fold, [such] that if you sat in a band,
you sat next to a master and you
learned how to blend and read the word, here, 'cause... they used to tell me "
if you can't hear everyone in the band playing, you're playing too loud".
So you gotta have to
learn how to listen to people, learn
how to phrase, learn
how to breathe. And see, that was an integral part of the... y'know, like when, y'know, most guys like
Donald Byrd and them went to college and , y'know - but
when they worked with Art Blakey, that was their
on the job training, that
got them to their next degree...
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